“Freud saw psychology as a scientific replacement for religion. Psychological theory replaces outmoded religious beliefs about the human person. And psychoanalytic techniques replace religious practices.” (1)
Freud noted that the, “analysis is not complete” until the patient’s religious views were analyzed. I agree, but in the opposite way that Freud envisioned.
There are often clear psychological reasons that a person becomes an ‘atheist.’ Most often, the thing that gets in the way of faith, is the relationship with the individual’s father. Specifically, if the father was harsh and cruel, the individual will often come to impute or displace these characteristics onto God. They will often see God as “harsh and cruel.” The father doesn’t necessarily have to be harsh or cruel, there can be many factors and varieties of the problematic relationship.
“God can’t exist because there is evil in the world.” Many atheists come to believe that there is no God, because of the fact of “evil” in the world. And, that if there is a God, he must be cruel because of the bad things he allows to happen (murder, rape, natural disasters, and so forth).
I’ve heard it said, “If there was a God, then why do so many bad things happen to good people.”
They can’t conceive of a “heavenly father,” who loves them and who cares about the world. They ‘project’ their feelings toward their earthly father onto God. They believe that there is such a thing as “good people.”
So far, I have not seen a single atheist who does not have relationship problems with their father. Or often, if they believe, their belief is distorted by their relationship with their father. They project (direct or displace) their feelings toward their father onto God.
I’m not saying that this is the only psychological reason that one becomes an atheist, but it is the one I have observed frequently.
It’s interesting to look at Freud as an example.
In his 40s, Freud “had numerous psychosomatic disorders as well as exaggerated fears of dying and other phobias” (Corey 2001, p. 67). During this time Freud was involved in the task of exploring his own dreams, memories, and the dynamics of his personality development. During this self-analysis, he came to realize the hostility he felt towards his father (Jacob Freud), who had died in 1896…(2)
Charles Darwin is also noted as having a problematic relationship with his father. In the course of researching for this post, I discovered that I am not the first to connect the idea of problematic relationships with the father and atheism. It turns out there is a book entitled, Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism, which explores the subject in significantly more detail with a focus on famous atheists. My own analysis of the subject comes not from famous atheists, but from folks I have worked with in treatment, friends, and colleagues.
Many times, I have seen patients resolve their emotional conflict about God in the context of their feelings toward their fathers. When they come to see that they have displaced their feelings toward their earthly fathers onto the heavenly One, they are often able to develop a relationship with God, without the emotional baggage.
(1). http://www.jcu.edu/philosophy/gensler/RE/R-F2–00.HTM
(2). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud
See also, Some Psychological Aspects of Atheism Part II and Part III, and Since atheists are about the only ones responding to my post.

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July 1, 2008 at 3:26 am
Thomas Cleberg
So, the idea is that whether or not you believe in God has more to do with how your father treated you than anything else? From a Jungian point of view, that’s very interesting. The “King” archetype would be out of balance and would correct itself in one way or another.
Of course, this argument works the other way, too, if it’s correct. An extremely good relationship with one’s father could be called the reason that a person believes in God. If you wish, you could say that it simply “doesn’t prevent” a person from believing in God, and have roughly the same outcome because you are then assuming that belief in God is a default, and anything else is an anomaly, a problem, a dischord.
I heavily suspect that atheists might be offended if you try to boil their beliefs down to a psychological need for daddy.
Also, Freud isn’t a great poster child for atheism.
July 1, 2008 at 3:56 am
catherine
So conversely those with mother problems would reject the Catholic tradition? J/k.
July 1, 2008 at 5:04 am
Darron S
Correlation is not causation.
I can correlate an inverse relationship between the rising average global temperature and the declining number of pirates since 1800. That correlation does not deal with cause.
You have cited your sources, but your first source is a broken link. Your second source is a wiki link. I prefer published, peer reviewed sources.
I’m an atheist. My father and I have had a great relationship my entire life. We’re both scientists and love bouncing ideas off each other and discussing the latest and greatest discoveries.
I am not an atheist because of any of the reasons you mentioned above. I attended a non-denominational christian church as a child, but found natural expanations of our world/universe much more convincing than supernatural expanations found in the christian religion. Early introduction to the scientific method definitely led to my lack of belief in supernatural gods. Specifically, I received a telescope for Christmas when I was 10. I learned about the planets, and their distances from our planet due to this instrument. This lead to my understanding of the size of the universe, which is many orders of magnitude grander than anything found in any modern religion. By the age of 13 I was extremely skeptical of the ideas of my church, as they seemed so simplistic and anthropomorphic. I was asked to no longer attend my church at the age of 14 because I was asking questions that the church felt were “controversial”, even though I was the most decorated AWANA (approved workmen are not ashamed) in my group. At that point I realized religion was false, a man-made lie, and hence forth considered myself an atheist.
Cheers!
July 1, 2008 at 5:15 am
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July 1, 2008 at 6:47 pm
thecountryshrink
Thomas, for 100+ years many psychologists, psychoanalysts, and other scientists (e.g., the likes of Richard Dawkins) have looked upon people of faith as suffering from a delusion, etc… So, maybe some will be offened when the shoe is on the other foot. That’s not my intention. My intention is to help some, who wish to understand some psychological aspects of atheism, to begin to develop that understanding.
Catherine…that’s possible I suppose. I’ve not really explored that issue, so I couldn’t say much on the matter. I’ll log it away for future study.
Darron, you seem to be very strong in your affection for science and your father. Not sure why the link broke. It worked yesterday. I’ll investigate. I was aware of the notion of correlation and causation as a teenager, and certainly gained a fairly deep knowledge for what is needed to establish causation throughout my graduate training. The scientific method is not the only way of arriving at truth. It may be for you and that’s fine. But frankly, it’s unlikely that your beliefs are not filtered through your own personal psychology and emotional system like every other human on the planet including myself. Peer reviewed journals would be unlikely to publish research into the issue I have raised because it is not PC. Picking on believers is… In fact, 67% of psychologists are atheists. Do you think an article about this would get past peer review? Peer review is not a clean scientific objective process that is free from the influence of personal bias. Neither is much research in the ’soft sciences,’ and also in the ‘hard sciences.’ I’m sorry those in your church were unable to tolerate your probing skepticism and felt threatened to the point of doing something that damaged your faith. That was wrong…
July 1, 2008 at 6:55 pm
thecountryshrink
Darron, the link should work now. My word processor changed the double dash to a hyphen.
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July 18, 2008 at 7:55 am
David Peter
Hey…. I dont think you have a point.. and heres why:
You must the seriously messed up kids that come out of fundamental religious families. Pretty sick stuff. I really dont think bad parents (which crosses ALL philosophical perspectives of the universe is a valid point in this.
I am not an atheist, and my relationship with my dad is not great. So finding bad parents in atheist parents is dumb. Have a look at bad parents.. lets look to the Bible.
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Now THATS bad parenting! I bet I can find 10 religious bad parents for every atheist one you can fine.
Hope you get my point.
July 18, 2008 at 7:59 am
David Peter
Sorry, missing word in the beginning there… it should read “You must see the seriously messed”
July 18, 2008 at 7:15 pm
thecountryshrink
David, I was not talking about those who believe, I was talking about atheists. Atheists tend to assume that only Christians have psychological factors in the shaping of their beliefs. I was pointing out that EVERYONE does.
Now your post illustrates what I often encounter with those who have some belief, who had bad relationships with their father. They tend to view God as being impersonal and uninvolved. They emphasize the old testament actions of God. They tend to ignore that god IS love, and the changes that took place with the comming of Jesus and the new covenant. Please don’t miss my point, I’m saying that atheists tend to have bad relationships with their father, not that they ARE bad parents. Now the reasons for which can have multiple factors, which may not relate much to the father (life circumstances such as divorce, death of the father, rebelliousness of the child, and so on and so forth). Are there a bunch of squirrely Christian parents? Yes, definitely…but that frankly misses my point altogether. Atheists tend to impute psychological factors to those who believe, but think they have chosen their beliefs on completely logical and intellectual factors…which is impossible.
August 2, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Dave
I seriously hope that you are not practicing in any mental health fields.
One doesn’t need father issues to not believe in God. One only needs the realization that the idea of a god according to most religions is absurd.
Atheism is the default position as we are all born atheists. It takes manipulation by others to get a person to believe in something as absurd as the Biblical God.
If you want to talk psychology, let’s talk about the delusion of religion and the psychological consequences of someone living their life thinking that someone can read their thoughts and watches everything they do.
August 2, 2008 at 2:37 pm
thecountryshrink
Thanks for your comments Dave. Obviously you disagree. How did you get along with your father?
August 2, 2008 at 7:20 pm
SD
I’m probably about to get in over my head here and divulge too much personal information, but I find this pretty interesting with a ring of truth, so far.
I had a mostly bad relationship with my father that often veered into outright hostility. The older I got the less trust I put in both my father and God. I still have a tendency to think of God as distant and indifferent, definitely not involved; or, at best, unfair. I’ve never truly doubted the existence of God deep down, but I have some real doubts about his good nature. He seems baffling and almost chaotic to me. I have some resentment towards God and consider it pretty arrogant for him to judge me(if he does)and I find the bible to be mostly nonsense.
So, to cut to the chase, the remark you made about people having bad relationships with their fathers, but /some/(confused, weak)belief in God, struck me as true. It reminded me of myself.
August 2, 2008 at 8:08 pm
thecountryshrink
SD, you are rare in that you are able to actually see this possibility. I really do appreciate your openness. I can very much empathize with your position.
Do you find the Bible to be nonsense, or the actions of many Christians to be nonsense? I understand the latter to a much greater extent…hypocrisy, lack of application of their intelligence, denial, and so forth. Jesus saw this in the religious authorities of his time, and there’s no reason to think it would be better today. Anyway, I appreciate your comment.
August 3, 2008 at 2:40 pm
DB Williams
“I’ve heard it said, “If there was a God, then why do so many bad things happen to good people.”
My question is, who then gets the credit and praises when they see the good in the world and people? It seems that every awful occurance, or supposed “Act of God,” is blamed on God, but when there are good and wonderful things happening to people I see no mention of God, beyond believers. This is a horrible double standard, and I believe it’s a rationalization for those who refuse to believe and can’t find a better excuse.
Dave,
You said you’re not an atheist, and yet your remarks tend to make me believe that you are: “One doesn’t need father issues to not believe in God. One only needs the realization that the idea of a god according to most religions is absurd.” and “Atheism is the default position as we are all born atheists. It takes manipulation by others to get a person to believe in something as absurd as the Biblical God.” Am I mistaken, or do you consider yourself to be an agnostic?
You sound really bitter, is this because of a religious experience, because I can empathize if that’s the case?
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November 26, 2008 at 4:07 am
kevin
A couple of things:
Your reasoning is (like Freud) circular. If I’m an atheist, I must have had a relationship problem with my father. If I’m an atheist and did not have a (stated) problem with Dad, then I’m in denial.
You make atheism sounds like a mental health disorder. In some studies 97% of esteemed sciences are atheists. Why? Father problems? How about high intelligence? How about having the ability to examine alternative hypotheses that can be tested and then comparing the evidence of those hypotheses with the evidence for a personal God?
- Why and how does God answer the prayers of six billion people. Is he really concerned with the Buffalo Bills winning a game against the New York Jets when he has to deal with a universe that by current measurements is roughly 40 billion light years (6 trillion X 40 billion or 24,000,0000,0000,000,000,000,000 miles) in diameter and contains roughly 300,000,000,000 galaxies each with 100,000,000,000 stars for a total of 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 possible planets. If the chance of life on any planet is even one in ten billion, then there are a lot of planets that could support life. If each planet has s billion sentient life forms…wow, that’s a lot of life. (By the way, the size of the universe and the number of galaxaies and stars is not conjecture. There is powerful, observable evidence to support these claims). Why didn’t God mention this to us in the Bible?
If God is omniscient, and hell exists (which is eternal punishment) and he created me becasue he loves me, why would he make me if he knew I was going to go to hell? Either, he doesn’t love me, hell doesn’t exist or he is not omniscient. Please don’t give me the “free will argument.” There is alogical inconsistency here that needs to be explained. If the premises of the argument are flawed, the conclusions are also flawed.
Why are there thousands of religions, some of which are directly opposed to others? Perhaps they are ideas that arose to explain natural phenomena. They evolved and changed over time and became vastly different from one another, especially in societies that were isoalted from one another. Why is this so. If there is on true god, did he expect ignorant life forms to figure out his nature so they could attain an afterlife. If he had given them evidence, should they not have all come up with the same description of god. Yet, incas were sacficing people under multiple gods, the Norse had other Gods and there were many different gods among many tribes of Africa, Asia and the Americas (and still are).
Why are chimps and humans about 99.5% genetically similar? Why is there an amazingly consistent chain of ancestors that can be reliably dated and pieced together to form very strong evidence (not proof, but evidence) of a fossil record that dates back hundreds of millions of years, not 6,000?
How can we live for eternity in an afterlife? What do we do and how does it work? What is the evidence, not guesses or dogma, but evidence?
What does it mean that “Jesus died for our sins.” I was 2,000 years away from even being born. I could not have sinned. Besides, we’re talking about the creator of the universe I described above dying. Not a really big deal in the whole scheme of things. Beside even if his dying for our sins was the reason, what actually happened there? HOw did Jesus’ dying affect future sinning. Again, some operational definition and evidence would be helpful.
Why is the Bible looked at as true and irrefutable. This book was written by people who lived at least 1200 years before Columbus discovered the other half of the Earth, and 1500 years before Darwin provided strong evidence that provided much greater support for an explanation of our existence. The stories in the Bible reflect the limits of knowledge for that time, yet it is looked at by many as fact. What about the Koran, or other religious texts. Whay are they not also the word of God.
Why don’t people still believe in MArs, Zeuss, Appollo? etc. They were Gods that people really did believe in at one time.
What happened to Homo Sapiens who lived before organized religion? Did they go to Limbo or hell or some other place simply becasue they were born at the wrong time.
Why, when people pray for something and they get their wish, do they thank God. If they don’t get their wish, they claim that they can’t know the will of God and that it was “meant to be?” God can’t lose.
These are but a few of the (rhetorical) questions that I have. Some say that religion and science cannot be argued on the same level because they’re “just different.” I find this to be a weak argument. First of all, science is not some “thing”, it is a systematic method of observation that seeks to use observation to explain natural phenomena. In fact, humans use the scientific method or logic in most other areas of their lives. Why does religion, only, have an exclusion from scientific debate? It should be able to stand up to argument, and, if it cannot, it needs to be questioned. I propose there is no other area of our lives where we would be satasfied with ansers such as those given by religion to improtant questiosn.
A logical flaw often occurs in religion/science debates: the religious side often uses the idea that scientists cannot show that God does not exist AS EVIDENCE that he does. Atheism is a default position, it does not claim proof or evidence of God’s existence, it simply says that the individuals making the claim of God’s existence need to provide evidence and that that evidence needs to explain phenomena against alternative hypotheses. As an atheist I don’t say “God does not exist” I say “the evidence for a personal god and an immortal afterlife seems improbable given what I believe to be true about what I have observed in this world and compared to the claims made by religion” The questions I’ve asked above have explanations that can be supported by strong evidence. If religious beliefs are indeed true, then they should hold up to the same scrutiny. When religion/ science debates occur between me and a religious person (almost always initiated by the religous person when they hear I am an atheist) I usually ask the above questions in some form. By the end of the “debate” the person is often defensive, questions my morality and says that ‘its a matter of faith.” They also usually have little understanding of astronomy, biology, physics, measurement and time. Their final response is something that attests to my arrogance for questioning god and that if I look hard enough and open my heart, I will find God (Remember “confirmatory bias” from your training?)
So country shrink…use your diagnostic skills; am I an atheist because of relationship problems with father or, alternative hypothesis, because I have access to knowledge that explains our existence much better than dogma that can never be tested?
November 26, 2008 at 8:10 pm
thecountryshrink
Yes, most likely. You posed hypotheticals, and then went through all kinds of mental gyrations to try and show that was not the reason. There are alternative explanations to every one of your atheistic apologetic arguments, but I’ll not go there because you will not be convinced.
November 28, 2008 at 1:27 am
kevin
Perhaps I will be convinced. If your arguments have sufficient evidence that don’t require me to “have faith”, and that do explain humans’ position in the universe better than current theory and do explain the existence of multiple religions and don’t require me to not question (where, in any scientific endeavor is one told not to question?), then I will listen. Are these not reasonable requests?
November 28, 2008 at 9:15 am
thecountryshrink
No, your requests are not reasonable. There are no positions as to whether God exists that do not require faith. If God is drawing you to him, and you are open to it, you will sincerely seek the answers. I see no evidence that you are doing that. Your “faith” is firmly established and that is atheism.